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to be honest, those are some deffinatly bogus stats, i can however say that those who are griping aobut vista having problems jsut cause hte problems… so if you have any questions about vista feel free to ask, i spedn all day working with them and have fallen in love wiht it, althoguh i’d never run it on a mac, but running mac OS x on a PC, well it can be done. Go figure huh?

Wow – you ‘…spedn all day working with them and have fallen in love wiht it, althoguh [you've] never run it on a mac…’
nice to see the PC has improved your spelling and grammar while you’ve been using it all day long

- sorry, I’m being dim, I know I am, but even when I correct the typos on this:
‘griping aobut vista having problems jsut cause hte problems’
- I still don’t understand it, there’s some reiteration and a verb missing somewhere.

to be honest, those are some defiantly bogus stats, i can however say that those who are griping about vista having problems, are just cause the problems… so if you have any questions about vista feel free to ask, i spend all day working with them and have fallen in love with it, although i’d never run it on a mac, but running mac OS x on a PC, well it can be done. Go figure huh?

There, edited… i wonder if there’s a way for me to delete my odler post…

“Just wait until 10.5 comes out, I’m sure there will be a new iPod, multi-cored Mac Pro, or new laptops that pop up along side the release.”

So rather than just give you an operating system upgrade, Apple gets more money out of you by convincing you to by a new computer and iPod with it?

(and when you have 25+ computers to upgrade, you do buy an upgrade disk, not new computers)

My new laptop came with Vista. I used it for about two months before I decided to wipe it clean… It’s running Kubuntu now. I switched from a wannabe to a real OS because of the security “features” that have been in the press.

I use a MacBook (a new 13″ Intel) for work. It’s running 10.4 and Parallels (running WinXP). It does what needs doing.

Why didn’t I get a Mac for myself? My personal needs led me in the direction that I chose for my own laptop, which is an HP.

Jesse Morgan – At 25 machines, you’re priced into getting a volume licensing agreement with all the giving up of rights that this entails. The phone home problem is big enough that starting at 25 licenses you’re ‘encouraged’ to run your own key server.

Apple would require 5 “family pack” licenses of $200 each. A single comparable Vista license (open license) is $184 from Dell each. The Mac OS X does not phone home, can be reinstalled anytime, and doesn’t even really have license keys. You’re buying legal coverage with the 5 pack, nothing more.

And woe to you if you’ve got a home server. Apple’s flat pricing of $1000 for unlimited CALs beats out the price for 2003R2 with just 5 CALs and your network’s going to need 20 more CALs that aren’t cheap on top of it.

On a strict dollar comparison and assuming that 10.5 and Vista are equivalent in all ways non-licensing, Apple’s pricing is better and their license overhead is much lower than Microsoft Windows’.

“you can run Windows XP or Vista on any computer, regardless of how old it is.”

Huh?

Not a lover of Windows products by any means, but that is just wrong. I’m sure you have tons of old P2/P3 boxes laying around you can run Vista on. I won’t even bring up P1s – hate to embarrass you. Please leave your ranting to the facts.

Oh, and any “neat little tricks” like upgrading every piece of hardware in the box before running Vista or running it in VMware or an emulator is just wrong, too.

Other than that, I agree with you.

Sorry to have to point this out, but Vista is limited to Intel Based systems, and clones. Can’t install it on anything IBM based, and you’ll have a hard time getting the drivers to work on anything mac based. So Vista is limited to Intel based.

Now Linux that can go onto anything. IBM based, Intel based, hell you can even single or dual boot it on a Mac system.

at synner: B FRIGGIN S! waht the hell are you talking about? im using it on an AMD and ive done it fro ma linux emulator, virtual machine, and many other types of non intell or IBM systems. besides that i’ve got a way to run mac os x on my PC. its a pain but I can….

“besides that i’ve got a way to run mac os x on my PC. its a pain but I can….”
-Robert Mennell

Not to mention highly illegal.

true. true. wait how?

AMD is an Intel clone. And to run it on an IBM you have to convert the drives correctly AND it will still run slower than a Unix bases OS. (That includes Linux.)

And actually Mac ported Mac OS X so that it could run off of Intel based systems, normally called PC’s.

I miss the good old days and Power PC’s. IBM and Mac just fit with one another. =/

Forgot to add this but a Linux emulator / VM’s can both be set up on any system, even servers, but they run slower and are not truly the OS, since they run outside of the kernel. =/

depends, kernel level emulator are very dangerouse, but can be done. course if one OS screws up, sicne it contains both kernels, well your kinda screwed.

“An Apple purchase is associated with a piece of hardware, how many people do you know who have gone out and purchased Tiger? Probably none.”

Without even stopping to think hard about it. 4. And one of those was a family pack of five licenses. Actually two might have been. And of those 4 people whom I have lunch with regularly… 3 of us also purchased Panther. And at least one has purchased a family pack of all 5 versions to date. Why? We’re all software engineers ourselves, including a couple of OS guys, and we all have a long history of old mac hardware we’ve been food chaining out through the family and/or various tasks around the home.

“AMD is an Intel clone. And to run it on an IBM you have to convert the drives correctly AND it will still run slower than a Unix bases OS. (That includes Linux.)

And actually Mac ported Mac OS X so that it could run off of Intel based systems, normally called PC’s.

I miss the good old days and Power PC’s. IBM and Mac just fit with one another. =/

Synner / July 29th, 2007, 4:55 am / #
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Alright… You TALK TOO MUCH.

Let’s get one thing straight here… AMD is in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM an Intel clone. Where the hell do you get your information? They’re on the x86/x64 platform. That’s about it as far as similarity goes.

That’s like saying that ATI/nVidia are clones of one another.

As for the porting of MacOSX… Ummm… “DUH?” Yeah. That works.

DUH.

Funny how everyone else seems to have left IBM for dead where MacOS is concerned. You don’t hear anyone else whining that they want their IBM’s back. It’s all about Intel now.

Why? Because people LIKE the idea of having the new options that come with the Intel territory. People LIKE that kind of diversity in a product that they’re spending WAY TOO MUCH MONEY on.

Face it, people. Mac… Yeah. It’s a cool thing. It definitely has it’s appeals and uses… But it costs WAY too damn much money to get a Mac. (We’re looking at the average figure v.s. a PC-based platform. Don’t go to ebay and find one for 0.99 cents with $500 shipping and link me or anything now…)

Man… Just… GAH! You make my head hurt.

CYRL has a very good point. ad sadly since yo ucan build a PC that cna run MAC OS X and htey make it available for purchase, waht’s to stop you at all from installign it on a PC based system?

Nah, I think it’s something else. After a long explanation by our system admin as to the complexities of Windows licensing, I’ll bet it has more to do with that. If it hasn’t already, volume licensing by businesses who think staying “on the edge” of everything makes them more successful will play a strong role in the percentage increase for Vista users.

“Face it, people. Mac… Yeah. It’s a cool thing. It definitely has it’s appeals and uses… But it costs WAY too damn much money to get a Mac. (We’re looking at the average figure v.s. a PC-based platform. Don’t go to ebay and find one for 0.99 cents with $500 shipping and link me or anything now…)”

Before moving overseas I scouted for a laptop that had decent battery life and functionality for my uses as a teacher who makes heavy use of technology in the classroom.

Over the years, the only way I could find a PC that fit my needs was to build one, so I had been using a SFF kit for classroom use. It worked, but I needed something that took up less space in my bags. The MacBook I have fit the bill…every PC laptop I looked at either had loads of features I didn’t need, or not enough. More to the point, most windows problems occur because of third-party software that people install to expand the functionality of the OS. It’s not so much that XP doesn’t work, it’s that it gets crudded up by extra software to the point that conflcts occur.

I don’t have this problem with my mac. From the day I took it out of the box, the thing has simply always worked.

Maybe other’s experiences have been different. I’m not going to argue and I’m not trying to judge. I’m simply stating that I don’t have to tweak Tiger to get what I want out of it, it’s simply all there.

I’ve never gotten that out of Windows or any flavor of *nix.

I disagree. I don’t think XP users are too keen on upgrading to Vista. I think it’s mostly because Vista is now the default operating systems on almost all laptops sold. I think people generally have negative views of Vista (if they have any at all) so there wouldn’t be much incentive to pay for an upgrade.

FTR I’m a Linux user.

The main reason anyone messes up a PC with vista is because they did something wrong. There’s something htey hate call UAC, but turning it off can be dangerouse if you use only an admin account, and this is how most people mess up their PCs. Think like linux in the User accounts. In fact they are both very, ery similar to each other in the file ownership setup. Heck, by takign a customers laptop and setting it up for htem, I’ve gotten calls sayign thankyou, and such because sure hte UAC comes up, but they haven’t gotten a single virus or spyware. On top of that they haven’t returned any pc I’ve setup vista on for them. Seriously the people who hate vista are jsut stubborn people who don’t bother to learn.

Also, Macs are very nice in the fact that it’s very easy to find things on them, but really it’s like the Ipod, sure there’s a large clsoe nit knowledgable group for it, but there’s no outside support for it. I also repair macs, and hte general ammoutn of PC to Mac sales i see is a very different number. What’s worse is the fact that out of every Mac i sell, they’ve all called back within a day… I’ve only sold 4 macs that didn’t call back, or return it, and that was t a buisiness administrator for a technology firm. Seriously, it’s weird how things flip flop like that…

Numbers to date for past quater:
PCs sold and returned: 4/76
Macs sold and returned: 12/20

seirously sad numbers… I sell training programs mroe then i do new Macs, now if mac had a training DVD id start being able to keep them from being returned…

Really it’s mroe comparable, now at least, to religion. Certain people believe one thing, even if part of it is proved wrong, and certain people believe another, even if part of that is proved wrong. Really it depends on your personall preferences.

Also after 34 horus, I got Mac OS X reisntalled… custom installs and drivers, not fun.

Hey, i was just tossing in my bit too.
Has anyone noticed the closeness microsoft is going for with vista? I’m not saying one’s better than another, I have my preperence for computers but I’ve noticed that since the OSX tiger microsoft has been emulating to one extent or another the mac os… heck even look at the zune and the new set up in microsoft media, it’s starting to look the same.. say what you want against me but I’m just saying that they’re no longer so different..

…..though i keep hearing that no one knows how to run vista and there is an office store here that has a patch to run back to xp because no one can figure it out… one of the problems is that whenever you download something it says there is a virus in it.. security crazy machine?

um no, whenever you attemtp to open something downloaded the machiens asks Are you sure? it doesn’t say there’s a virus. Most people are jsut idiots. and no, we aren’t emulating Mac in any way shape or form wiht vista. How are we emulating Mac at all?

Mac: Uses dock and finder as well as application folder nad ELF program.s

Vista: Uses start bar nd registry keys as well as a fodler for every program.

Oh yeah, ELF and registry programs are exactly the same. NO. Not at all. We aren’t emualting MAC one bit, and I’m sick and tired of people saying that. Tell me one thing vista emulates about mac. Oh the user interface? BS! Mac uses a VERY different user interface. Vista is NOTHING like Mac. if you use a Mac, and you haven’t tried vista, then don’t say they are the same, because they aren’t, at all.

Windows XP had a search functions, it’s jsut every was to stupid to learn how to find it. Vista made it easier to find the search button.

Mac’s search is something completely different. It doesn’t check against a registry, it checks against a file tree.

Vistas user interface want’s to looks like macintosh.

Um no, no it doesn’t. Oour user interface is VERY different.

Mac is teh bettorz!

Yeah, keep sayign that when the only good games are for windows. Macs and Windows both have their ups and downs.

LINUX PWNS BOTH!

yes, yes it does my friend. Linux FTW.

VISTA SUCKS!

wow, someone else who didn’t bother learning how ot use Vista and jsut gave up after twenty minutes.

and now the disclaimer:
I AM NOT PAID BY MICROSOFT, NOR DO I HAVE ANY AFFILIATION WITH THEM. I’M JUsT SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE SPOUTING OFF WHAT THEY DON’T KNOW ABOUT.

I have asked enough questions and gotten enough answers from current Vista users to utterly loathe my concept of the system itself. Even while gaming with a Vista Lover, I have to wait as he restarts just to change from headphones to a headset. God forbid he accidently unplug his mouse! The UI(I googled it) is intriguing but entirely less functional than the more widely used and accepted XP has. In my opinion Microsoft’s baby, Vista, is a bad apple.

As for Applegeeks, I was just reading his comic and he spells fine with a pen/whatever. It’s typing on the run that gets him.

Ok.. you say that mac’s are expensive… lets take this into account… For the tech support that they provide… I’d say it’s quite worth it. I mean sure… dell and HP have good tech support too but look at how well Apple as scored. Take a look at the PC world and PC mag ratings. Look at consumer report. Take a look on the web for people complaining about laptop problems. Then look to see what brand laptops have the least problems and have their problems fixed the fastest.

yeah.. u can run mac on a pc. Just google it and boom. Theres your how to guide. But why bother with all that. I can get a mac. Use a LEGAL version of bootcamp. Download a LEGAL version of windows from my college software center (yes i know not everyone has access to this) and now i’m running LEGAL versions of both operating systems in under an hour. For 2 grand, yeah you could pick up a lot of computers…. but for the reliablity, functionality, LEGAL-NESS, and looks… I take the macbook pro.

I’ve never once had to restart to switch from headphones to a headset. I’ve never once had to restart to switch hardware otehr then internal hardware. Heck, pluggin in your mouse works perfectly with hotswp, so his Bios are isntead wacked out.

And gaming on Vista, I’ve run windows 3.11 and dos 2.0 games on Vista no problem whatsoever. So i see no problems with Vista itself. It’s jsut the same propaganda that happened to windows 95/98/xp, people don’t bother to learn aobut the new improvements, they expect everything to be exactly the same with every release. Well it isn’t. If microsoft released the same OS everytime to satisfy those people, we’d have even more hoels in security and mroe idiots who think they know hwo to use a computer. When windows 95 came out, there was an uproar and people thoguht it was absolutely worthless because they couldn’t do things the same way they had for years. When windows XP cam out there was an uproar because now things we in differen’t places AGAIN. Hey wait, this sounds familiar. Ignorant people not trying to do anything smart like, oh I don’t know, LEARNING about it. They jsut assume isntantly it’s going to be the same as windows XP. Well it’s not. Once you learn how to use it, it’s better. Only the computer ignorant are having problems with vista. I have no problems with it, have found drivers for every piece of hardware I use for it, and I am happier with it then I ever was with windows XP. I’ve only crashed due to a glitch in a game, and the same glitch is in windows XP isntallations. And also that’s an incredibly RARE glitch. Whats ncie is the times that it’s crashed, I haven’t lost any data. I see no reason why people are so agaisnt vista other then mob mentality and ignorance.

Vista isn’t windows XP, things are NOT the same, not will ever be the same. Why? Well if you have ot ask yourself that, ask yoruself why we aren’t in the stone age now.

first on the list of emulation of mac.. the gadgets window… that by the by get in the way unintentionally during game sessions.. i have to shut it off or i have a blinking line in that shap(probably the computer but at least the widgets can be put away).
though i will say it is nice to clear that up and don’t you get short with me sweetcakes i have both because i need a good laptop for gaming and mobile, and i’m cheap..
“Mac’s search is something completely different. It doesn’t check against a registry, it checks against a file tree.” you said that exactly, a registry is and unorganized file tree, if it IS organized, it’s a file tree.. if you can find compelling evidence than “you’re and idiot” then i’ll gladly accept my mis remark and withdraw it, but stop with the attitude dude.. and by the by some more.. if you are not with microsoft in anyway at all then wy did you say “We aren’t emualting MAC one bit, and I’m sick and tired of people saying that.” “we” being the word in question..
for cobbs though the problems with speakers is the computer, i plug in my mouse after startup, before, during, it doesn’t make a difference on but, maybe it’s the audio system(speakers, headphones etc..) that are funky..
i did on the otherhand put in a game in pristine condition and there are all kinds of weirdness from the vista programming, i had less problems from the 95 i had it on earlier! mostly, again the gadget window, but a high midrange of memory and all the other hardware completely out doing the 95 era of game ability but the same game runs slower and has had to be re-installed twice for it to work right, and i reiterate that the cd for it is in fine working order..
on another note the computer has bluescreened on a number of occasions from playing “inkball” which come with vista, and i have to completely restart my comp. and don’t think for one second i didn’t research or ANYTHING LIKE THAT. i even learned were everything is and what to do, as it happens though everything isn’t in the same place it’s basically the same info and i appreciate that windows has the search bar in clear veiw now, though i don’t like that it can’t find a program that it says it self that it has to shutdown, this happening after the second day of use…
last note by the way, you, the one just above me would seem a lot more computer literate or not “computer ignorant” if you would open up microsoft word and spell check everything that you write, i’m sick of desciphering your dislexic typing. or just stop typing in anger as you are showing by missing so many letters and not bothering with checking at all. those who resort to anger have already lost.

I said file tree versus registry tree for a reason, a registry tree is a compilation of setting for different applications and file types, whilst a file tree has a text descriptor of all contained files in the folder. It’s hidden as a database.

I meant WE as in WE who use windows, not mac. I didn’t mean Microsoft in any way.

those are specific to your hardware. Sometimes manufacturers put in their own drivers for devices available on the mass market. Contact the manufacturer of your Vista computer if you bought it pre assembled. I haven’t had a single Blue screen that I haven’t caused on my system (and I mean intentionally causing it by doing something I know will make any computer Blue screen.).

and sorry for the dyslexic text, but when you have about 30 seconds to shutdown and leave for work you tend to forget to spell check. Here just for you I’ll spell check this post.

and alas, some games use some features of DirectX that were removed for the sole purpose that it caused problems with current drivers and graphics card architextures. Like I said earlier, I’ve run windows 3.11 programs and DOS 2.0 programs no problem. Somehting I couldn’t do with windows XP. Ah silver, such an awesome game. OOH! And Arkanoid. Man that brings back some memories… Mega Man X even runs on it (yes, there was a PC release, for dos. around the time of Mega Man X being released for consoles.). Jane’s attack force is also still running.

For more current games, most directx 7/8/9 games work no problem. If they have a problem, instead try activating compatibility mode and run as administrator so it can access some features that it needs to (such as video codecs and creating a virtual swap space).

see now we can talk, i thank you for your civillity, no worries on the company i bought from, i now realise that it’s the drive not the os that’s the problem and i know what you mean to intentionally bluescreening too, not only for when the comp won’t move but i just like to run them hard to know what my boundaries are on # of programs and windows up, frankly i’m impressed with vista i just notice weird similarities, that are infact a given as there are only so many ways a computer can be put together..silver and arkanoid were awesome! i miss them.. and thanks for the tip, i have it mostly figured but that will make my life run much more smoothly

You’re welcome. I do tech support for a reason… I’ve actually had four people now ask me what the internet is… two were Mac users o.0 and both about their teens. The windows ones were programming on punch cards…. now THAT’s scary… Pong… in less then 1000 cards. A thesis for the ages.

Also there are people that buy laptops, vista comes standard on most computers nowadays even though it sucks…

So cal cheese, waht about vista sucks exactly? It does EVERYTHING XP does and more.

“upgrade” to vista?

Who… cares?

i kinda agree with august. who cares what people use to browse the net, but i sitll can’t stand by whilst people ignorantly bash vista.

I just bought a new laptop and it came with vista pre-installed. So far I haven’t had any real big complaints or compatibility issues. I am also a mac owner. I’ve been running OSX for quite some time and never had a problem with it either. I had to get this laptop due to the nature of my work. I also do tech support on the side so its good to have multiple OS experience. I have ran Linux in the past and wasn’t really impressed with it or its compatibility with most things. Not trying to bash Linux now. I still like to load up a new copy of Linux every now and then. What I have noticed though when it comes to user friendliness and difficulty to learn, macs seem to have the best interface to work with. The problem is though, if you go take a class somewhere they are going to teach you on a windows based machine. This is the main problem I’ve had out of customers. Anyway, I digress. This discussion was suppose to be on how vista gained so many users browsing. The truth is, if you buy a new PC retail anymore it comes with vista on it not XP anymore.

I personally don’t get this whole Mac vs. PC war. I’ve been a pc man all my life. If Mac’s better, OK, I really don’t care. It’s a lifestyle choice, like wearing red clothes or hating the Bush administration. Why are people trying to force the other one over, or even prove theirs is better? Even if there was a huge no-doubt-about-it announcement that Mac is better, I wouldn’t switch.

Would anyone — who lives in or near DC — be interested in volunteering for a wonderful school where children of predominantly low-income families develop all their capabilities by working in architecture and the other arts throughout the day? We have both Macs and PCs and hope to find someone who is experienced and open-minded.

Also looking for a volunteer to work on our web site. Again, we hope to find someone who lives in DC because it’s necessary to spend some time at our physical site, looking through photos…and possibly taking photos.

If you’re interested and willing, please write to info@studioschool.org. Thank you very much.
Marcia

I’m going to start out by flat out saying that I’m a die-hard PC user. I currently run WinXP SP2 because well, Vista sucks. I like Macs, but I’m not a fan of Macs. On my laptop, I run kUbuntu, mainly for my research purposes. On my next laptop, I may either dualboot Ubuntu and WinXP or get a MacBook. But until there is some kind of change, I will always be running some kind of Windows. Here’s why:

Windows provides a standardized platform that is more accessible than Linux or MacOS. The benefit for this is that there is more software. The drawback is that the overall quality of all software is drastically reduced and Windows as a whole is just more open to attack because more people understand it. In all honesty, I cannot fault Windows with these failings, but at the same time, when using I’ve rarely felt dissatisfied by the tools offered by the software suite available and what’s more, am usually impressed by the quality of the software. But in the end, I like my games and Mac just has a bad selection of games in comparison to Windows because of the aforementioned reasons.

Next, Macs do tend to be associated with expensive and often outdated hardware. The move to Intel x86′s was brilliant… I’m sorry, PowerPC’s just aren’t as good. I would never buy a Mac with a PowerPC.

Now, what I really like about Macs is the interface. It’s pretty. Haha, but seriously, the Mac OS does a beautiful job of caching, something Windows doesn’t perform nearly as well. In fact, yes, Vista is trying to look prettier because Macs look pretty, but I would venture that the most important feature Microsoft tried to copy off the Mac OS is the aforementioned caching system. Unfortunately, they botched it because instead of using a tried and true method, Microsoft tried to improve it by making it predictive which turned the entire operating system into a huge resource whore.

In summary, for the highly predictable individual or content designers, Macs are an excellent choice. PCs are great too, and in fact, I will go as far as to say they might actually benefit from Vista’s predictive caching system, but in the end, I believe Macs are the slightly better choice. For gamers, individuals who want a wide range of options or for individuals that are just less predictable, I would recommend Windows.

In any case, I’ve tried to be as objective as possible, and in conclusion, I’d like to say that I’m hoping Apple continues to do well in hopes that it will encourage Microsoft to release better products ( and I know that’s a really optimistic statement ) which will in turn encourage Apple to release better products and so on.

Speaking as an avid XP user: I loathe the very idea of Vista.

Mac’s are brilliant from what I’ve heard, but I’m well adjusted to my pc, so I’m sticking to it.

That’s all I have to say on that matter.

On a side note:

Once you’ve typed a post… READ IT OVER FOR GOODNESS’ SAKE!!!
I’ve got a typo overdose…

So far concerning our new friend vista…I run XPsp2 Tiger, and on occasion Ubuntu. I’d heard a lot of horrible things about vista, especially concerning DRM, but it didn’t prevent me from picking up a copy. Rather than bash something based on word of mouth or something you read off a forum, give it a damn try. I agree with Kenneth about it being a bit of a hog on the resources, but so far I’ve found it to be fairly stable. Had a few problems early on with some apps and games, but for the most part, managed to get around them. Honestly about the only reason I’ll personally be using it, is the wide platform for software. Much as Linux is useful, and Mac has its merits, I still walk through a school or office and see “teh windowz compyz.” Find what you’re comfortable with, but don’t avoid it because it has a few bugs. I honestly don’t think it’s going anywhere anytime soon. Although perhaps just a rumor, and hopefully someone can confirm it, Microsoft revamping it rather than releasing patch after patch?

Well I have tested Vista, OS X, xp, linux (kubuntu) and so on and so on long list. just to shorten this whole thing.

Vista just is plainly not worth it. Even XP SP2 is better than vista there doesn’t really come much new things except some shiny desktop and directx 10 which is vista only.

OS X and linux are both great in their own field and very good operating systems. If linux or anything other OS had better support for gaming I would move completely to use it, but for now stuck in xp sp2 which I would never ever trade for vista.

I don’t think vista is as stable as I need yet. Maybe in another 6 months to a year. I’m a pc user because it’s much cheaper for me. I like Macs but I’ll probably never buy one because it isn’t cost effective for me. And everyone running xp will have to change over to vista eventulaly. M$ wouldn’t have it any other way. I have to run dos6, win98se, win2k and winXP at my work… it sucks. Although I know 9x so well now that it never is a problem.

-Well honestly i have nothing against MACs but i prefer windows. I made my own computer and it runs on XP SP2. I still think nothing is better than a computer that you built and programmed yourself.
-I’ll come back to ya when i can afford vista, but it looks good (too good) so it probly has its flaws.
-Just a quick question is it a “ram hog” or is it better than XP SP2 when it comes to running excess background programs?

“the article fails to mention a rather important point. The reason that this is happening is because current XP users are upgrading to Vista.”

Um, I think the article says this rather explicitly. Did they change it?

See the following quotes:
“Vista’s increases have come at the expense of Windows XP and Windows 2000, both of which have dropped in usage since January.”
“Windows overall total has remained flat, ranging between 90.01% and 90.46% through the first six months of the year.”