Wow – you ‘…spedn all day working with them and have fallen in love wiht it, althoguh [you've] never run it on a mac…’
nice to see the PC has improved your spelling and grammar while you’ve been using it all day long

- sorry, I’m being dim, I know I am, but even when I correct the typos on this:
‘griping aobut vista having problems jsut cause hte problems’
- I still don’t understand it, there’s some reiteration and a verb missing somewhere.

“Just wait until 10.5 comes out, I’m sure there will be a new iPod, multi-cored Mac Pro, or new laptops that pop up along side the release.”

So rather than just give you an operating system upgrade, Apple gets more money out of you by convincing you to by a new computer and iPod with it?

(and when you have 25+ computers to upgrade, you do buy an upgrade disk, not new computers)

Jesse Morgan – At 25 machines, you’re priced into getting a volume licensing agreement with all the giving up of rights that this entails. The phone home problem is big enough that starting at 25 licenses you’re ‘encouraged’ to run your own key server.

Apple would require 5 “family pack” licenses of $200 each. A single comparable Vista license (open license) is $184 from Dell each. The Mac OS X does not phone home, can be reinstalled anytime, and doesn’t even really have license keys. You’re buying legal coverage with the 5 pack, nothing more.

And woe to you if you’ve got a home server. Apple’s flat pricing of $1000 for unlimited CALs beats out the price for 2003R2 with just 5 CALs and your network’s going to need 20 more CALs that aren’t cheap on top of it.

On a strict dollar comparison and assuming that 10.5 and Vista are equivalent in all ways non-licensing, Apple’s pricing is better and their license overhead is much lower than Microsoft Windows’.

Sorry to have to point this out, but Vista is limited to Intel Based systems, and clones. Can’t install it on anything IBM based, and you’ll have a hard time getting the drivers to work on anything mac based. So Vista is limited to Intel based.

Now Linux that can go onto anything. IBM based, Intel based, hell you can even single or dual boot it on a Mac system.

“besides that i’ve got a way to run mac os x on my PC. its a pain but I can….”
-Robert Mennell

Not to mention highly illegal.

AMD is an Intel clone. And to run it on an IBM you have to convert the drives correctly AND it will still run slower than a Unix bases OS. (That includes Linux.)

And actually Mac ported Mac OS X so that it could run off of Intel based systems, normally called PC’s.

I miss the good old days and Power PC’s. IBM and Mac just fit with one another. =/

depends, kernel level emulator are very dangerouse, but can be done. course if one OS screws up, sicne it contains both kernels, well your kinda screwed.

“AMD is an Intel clone. And to run it on an IBM you have to convert the drives correctly AND it will still run slower than a Unix bases OS. (That includes Linux.)

And actually Mac ported Mac OS X so that it could run off of Intel based systems, normally called PC’s.

I miss the good old days and Power PC’s. IBM and Mac just fit with one another. =/

Synner / July 29th, 2007, 4:55 am / #
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Alright… You TALK TOO MUCH.

Let’s get one thing straight here… AMD is in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM an Intel clone. Where the hell do you get your information? They’re on the x86/x64 platform. That’s about it as far as similarity goes.

That’s like saying that ATI/nVidia are clones of one another.

As for the porting of MacOSX… Ummm… “DUH?” Yeah. That works.

DUH.

Funny how everyone else seems to have left IBM for dead where MacOS is concerned. You don’t hear anyone else whining that they want their IBM’s back. It’s all about Intel now.

Why? Because people LIKE the idea of having the new options that come with the Intel territory. People LIKE that kind of diversity in a product that they’re spending WAY TOO MUCH MONEY on.

Face it, people. Mac… Yeah. It’s a cool thing. It definitely has it’s appeals and uses… But it costs WAY too damn much money to get a Mac. (We’re looking at the average figure v.s. a PC-based platform. Don’t go to ebay and find one for 0.99 cents with $500 shipping and link me or anything now…)

Man… Just… GAH! You make my head hurt.

Nah, I think it’s something else. After a long explanation by our system admin as to the complexities of Windows licensing, I’ll bet it has more to do with that. If it hasn’t already, volume licensing by businesses who think staying “on the edge” of everything makes them more successful will play a strong role in the percentage increase for Vista users.

I disagree. I don’t think XP users are too keen on upgrading to Vista. I think it’s mostly because Vista is now the default operating systems on almost all laptops sold. I think people generally have negative views of Vista (if they have any at all) so there wouldn’t be much incentive to pay for an upgrade.

FTR I’m a Linux user.

Hey, i was just tossing in my bit too.
Has anyone noticed the closeness microsoft is going for with vista? I’m not saying one’s better than another, I have my preperence for computers but I’ve noticed that since the OSX tiger microsoft has been emulating to one extent or another the mac os… heck even look at the zune and the new set up in microsoft media, it’s starting to look the same.. say what you want against me but I’m just saying that they’re no longer so different..

um no, whenever you attemtp to open something downloaded the machiens asks Are you sure? it doesn’t say there’s a virus. Most people are jsut idiots. and no, we aren’t emulating Mac in any way shape or form wiht vista. How are we emulating Mac at all?

Mac: Uses dock and finder as well as application folder nad ELF program.s

Vista: Uses start bar nd registry keys as well as a fodler for every program.

Oh yeah, ELF and registry programs are exactly the same. NO. Not at all. We aren’t emualting MAC one bit, and I’m sick and tired of people saying that. Tell me one thing vista emulates about mac. Oh the user interface? BS! Mac uses a VERY different user interface. Vista is NOTHING like Mac. if you use a Mac, and you haven’t tried vista, then don’t say they are the same, because they aren’t, at all.

Windows XP had a search functions, it’s jsut every was to stupid to learn how to find it. Vista made it easier to find the search button.

Mac’s search is something completely different. It doesn’t check against a registry, it checks against a file tree.

Vistas user interface want’s to looks like macintosh.

Um no, no it doesn’t. Oour user interface is VERY different.

Mac is teh bettorz!

Yeah, keep sayign that when the only good games are for windows. Macs and Windows both have their ups and downs.

LINUX PWNS BOTH!

yes, yes it does my friend. Linux FTW.

VISTA SUCKS!

wow, someone else who didn’t bother learning how ot use Vista and jsut gave up after twenty minutes.

and now the disclaimer:
I AM NOT PAID BY MICROSOFT, NOR DO I HAVE ANY AFFILIATION WITH THEM. I’M JUsT SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE SPOUTING OFF WHAT THEY DON’T KNOW ABOUT.

Ok.. you say that mac’s are expensive… lets take this into account… For the tech support that they provide… I’d say it’s quite worth it. I mean sure… dell and HP have good tech support too but look at how well Apple as scored. Take a look at the PC world and PC mag ratings. Look at consumer report. Take a look on the web for people complaining about laptop problems. Then look to see what brand laptops have the least problems and have their problems fixed the fastest.

yeah.. u can run mac on a pc. Just google it and boom. Theres your how to guide. But why bother with all that. I can get a mac. Use a LEGAL version of bootcamp. Download a LEGAL version of windows from my college software center (yes i know not everyone has access to this) and now i’m running LEGAL versions of both operating systems in under an hour. For 2 grand, yeah you could pick up a lot of computers…. but for the reliablity, functionality, LEGAL-NESS, and looks… I take the macbook pro.

first on the list of emulation of mac.. the gadgets window… that by the by get in the way unintentionally during game sessions.. i have to shut it off or i have a blinking line in that shap(probably the computer but at least the widgets can be put away).
though i will say it is nice to clear that up and don’t you get short with me sweetcakes i have both because i need a good laptop for gaming and mobile, and i’m cheap..
“Mac’s search is something completely different. It doesn’t check against a registry, it checks against a file tree.” you said that exactly, a registry is and unorganized file tree, if it IS organized, it’s a file tree.. if you can find compelling evidence than “you’re and idiot” then i’ll gladly accept my mis remark and withdraw it, but stop with the attitude dude.. and by the by some more.. if you are not with microsoft in anyway at all then wy did you say “We aren’t emualting MAC one bit, and I’m sick and tired of people saying that.” “we” being the word in question..
for cobbs though the problems with speakers is the computer, i plug in my mouse after startup, before, during, it doesn’t make a difference on but, maybe it’s the audio system(speakers, headphones etc..) that are funky..
i did on the otherhand put in a game in pristine condition and there are all kinds of weirdness from the vista programming, i had less problems from the 95 i had it on earlier! mostly, again the gadget window, but a high midrange of memory and all the other hardware completely out doing the 95 era of game ability but the same game runs slower and has had to be re-installed twice for it to work right, and i reiterate that the cd for it is in fine working order..
on another note the computer has bluescreened on a number of occasions from playing “inkball” which come with vista, and i have to completely restart my comp. and don’t think for one second i didn’t research or ANYTHING LIKE THAT. i even learned were everything is and what to do, as it happens though everything isn’t in the same place it’s basically the same info and i appreciate that windows has the search bar in clear veiw now, though i don’t like that it can’t find a program that it says it self that it has to shutdown, this happening after the second day of use…
last note by the way, you, the one just above me would seem a lot more computer literate or not “computer ignorant” if you would open up microsoft word and spell check everything that you write, i’m sick of desciphering your dislexic typing. or just stop typing in anger as you are showing by missing so many letters and not bothering with checking at all. those who resort to anger have already lost.

see now we can talk, i thank you for your civillity, no worries on the company i bought from, i now realise that it’s the drive not the os that’s the problem and i know what you mean to intentionally bluescreening too, not only for when the comp won’t move but i just like to run them hard to know what my boundaries are on # of programs and windows up, frankly i’m impressed with vista i just notice weird similarities, that are infact a given as there are only so many ways a computer can be put together..silver and arkanoid were awesome! i miss them.. and thanks for the tip, i have it mostly figured but that will make my life run much more smoothly

Also there are people that buy laptops, vista comes standard on most computers nowadays even though it sucks…

“upgrade” to vista?

i kinda agree with august. who cares what people use to browse the net, but i sitll can’t stand by whilst people ignorantly bash vista.

I personally don’t get this whole Mac vs. PC war. I’ve been a pc man all my life. If Mac’s better, OK, I really don’t care. It’s a lifestyle choice, like wearing red clothes or hating the Bush administration. Why are people trying to force the other one over, or even prove theirs is better? Even if there was a huge no-doubt-about-it announcement that Mac is better, I wouldn’t switch.

I’m going to start out by flat out saying that I’m a die-hard PC user. I currently run WinXP SP2 because well, Vista sucks. I like Macs, but I’m not a fan of Macs. On my laptop, I run kUbuntu, mainly for my research purposes. On my next laptop, I may either dualboot Ubuntu and WinXP or get a MacBook. But until there is some kind of change, I will always be running some kind of Windows. Here’s why:

Windows provides a standardized platform that is more accessible than Linux or MacOS. The benefit for this is that there is more software. The drawback is that the overall quality of all software is drastically reduced and Windows as a whole is just more open to attack because more people understand it. In all honesty, I cannot fault Windows with these failings, but at the same time, when using I’ve rarely felt dissatisfied by the tools offered by the software suite available and what’s more, am usually impressed by the quality of the software. But in the end, I like my games and Mac just has a bad selection of games in comparison to Windows because of the aforementioned reasons.

Next, Macs do tend to be associated with expensive and often outdated hardware. The move to Intel x86′s was brilliant… I’m sorry, PowerPC’s just aren’t as good. I would never buy a Mac with a PowerPC.

Now, what I really like about Macs is the interface. It’s pretty. Haha, but seriously, the Mac OS does a beautiful job of caching, something Windows doesn’t perform nearly as well. In fact, yes, Vista is trying to look prettier because Macs look pretty, but I would venture that the most important feature Microsoft tried to copy off the Mac OS is the aforementioned caching system. Unfortunately, they botched it because instead of using a tried and true method, Microsoft tried to improve it by making it predictive which turned the entire operating system into a huge resource whore.

In summary, for the highly predictable individual or content designers, Macs are an excellent choice. PCs are great too, and in fact, I will go as far as to say they might actually benefit from Vista’s predictive caching system, but in the end, I believe Macs are the slightly better choice. For gamers, individuals who want a wide range of options or for individuals that are just less predictable, I would recommend Windows.

In any case, I’ve tried to be as objective as possible, and in conclusion, I’d like to say that I’m hoping Apple continues to do well in hopes that it will encourage Microsoft to release better products ( and I know that’s a really optimistic statement ) which will in turn encourage Apple to release better products and so on.

So far concerning our new friend vista…I run XPsp2 Tiger, and on occasion Ubuntu. I’d heard a lot of horrible things about vista, especially concerning DRM, but it didn’t prevent me from picking up a copy. Rather than bash something based on word of mouth or something you read off a forum, give it a damn try. I agree with Kenneth about it being a bit of a hog on the resources, but so far I’ve found it to be fairly stable. Had a few problems early on with some apps and games, but for the most part, managed to get around them. Honestly about the only reason I’ll personally be using it, is the wide platform for software. Much as Linux is useful, and Mac has its merits, I still walk through a school or office and see “teh windowz compyz.” Find what you’re comfortable with, but don’t avoid it because it has a few bugs. I honestly don’t think it’s going anywhere anytime soon. Although perhaps just a rumor, and hopefully someone can confirm it, Microsoft revamping it rather than releasing patch after patch?

I don’t think vista is as stable as I need yet. Maybe in another 6 months to a year. I’m a pc user because it’s much cheaper for me. I like Macs but I’ll probably never buy one because it isn’t cost effective for me. And everyone running xp will have to change over to vista eventulaly. M$ wouldn’t have it any other way. I have to run dos6, win98se, win2k and winXP at my work… it sucks. Although I know 9x so well now that it never is a problem.

“the article fails to mention a rather important point. The reason that this is happening is because current XP users are upgrading to Vista.”

Um, I think the article says this rather explicitly. Did they change it?

See the following quotes:
“Vista’s increases have come at the expense of Windows XP and Windows 2000, both of which have dropped in usage since January.”
“Windows overall total has remained flat, ranging between 90.01% and 90.46% through the first six months of the year.”